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          AND GENTLEMEN. LET ME CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND WELCOME ALL OF OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND INTERESTED PARTIES TO THIS HEARING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR MARCH THE 3RD, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY ITEM APPROVED TODAY WILL BE HEARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25TH, 2026. CONVENTION COMMENCING AT 9 A.M. IF YOU RECEIVED A NOTICE FOR THIS MEETING, YOU ALSO RECEIVED A NOTICE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IF ANY ITEM IS DENIED, THE APPLICANT HAS TEN CALENDAR DAYS TO FILE A WRITTEN APPEAL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          THE APPEAL WILL THEN BE ACTED UPON BY THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AN ITEM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, COME TO THE PODIUM. 
          COMMENTS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE 5 TO 5 MINUTES OR LESS, ALTHOUGH EXTENSIONS OF TIME MAY BE GRANTED BY THE CHAIR UPON REQUEST AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS MEETING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALWAYS HAS A WORKSHOP TO PLAN FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, AND THAT MEETING WILL BE HELD DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT THE PLANT TYLER DEVELOPMENT CENTER FOR 23 WEST FERGUSON AND THE LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM. AND THAT MEETING, LIKE ALL OF OUR MEETINGS, IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A ROLL CALL. YES, SIR. CARLENE DAQUIS PRESENT. CLINT CHILDS. PRESENT. PHILIP HUMBER. PRESENT. CHRISTINA DAVIS, PRESENT. 
          MICHAEL CARMICHAEL, PRESENT. ROY MARTINEZ, PRESENT. DAVID HUDSON PRESENT. WE HAVE A FULL 
          [IV. Consideration of minutes from the Commission meeting of February 3, 2026]
COMMISSION HERE TODAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY. THE THIRD OF COMMISSIONERS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE. WE APPROVE. MINUTES. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECOND TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? 
          [V. PD25-023 NORTHERN SPRUCE LLC (2801 AND 2835 SOUTH BROADWAY AVENUE)]
MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PD 25 TO 0 TWO THREE NORTHERN SPRUCE LLC. 
          AND THAT WAS TABLED FROM OUR LAST MEETING. SO WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE. IF IF THERE'S A COMMISSIONER WHO'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. SO MOVED. MR. PHILIP. PHILIP MAKES A MOTION AND ROY SECONDS ANY DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK OFF THE TABLE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION? SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, ANNA. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY PRESENT TODAY. THIS IS A TABLED ITEM FROM LAST MONTH. SO I'LL DO A RECAP OF, OF A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND DISCUSS LAST MONTH'S MEETING, AS WELL AS PROVIDING THE NEW INFORMATION FOR THE SITE PLAN. SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF SOUTH BROADWAY AVENUE. THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2019, WITH A ZONE CHANGE FROM R1, A AND RMF TO A POD. SINCE THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT DISCOVERED AN ACTIVE SEWER LINE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH PROMPTED AN AMENDMENT TO BE REQUESTED. AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, NEIGHBORS EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING DRAINAGE, BUILDING PROXIMITY AND BUILDING HEIGHT. THE APPLICANT WAS ENCOURAGED TO TABLE THE OR TO ENCOURAGE TO HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. TO FURTHER DISCUSS THESE CONCERNS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. ON FEBRUARY 19TH, THE APPLICANT HELD A MEETING IN REGARDS TO THE CONCERNS. TWO NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE. DURING THE MEETING, CONCERNS WERE EXPRESSED REGARDING DRAINAGE, PARKING, PARKING, POTENTIAL NUMBER OF TENANTS AND THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT DID INDICATE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ONLY A PORTION OF THE BUILDING WOULD REACH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 42FT. HOWEVER, THE EXACT EXACT EXTENT OF THE HEIGHT HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES A 6000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED NEAR SOUTH BROADWAY. THE PROPOSED SETBACKS TO THE FRONT ARE TEN FEET ALONG SOUTH BROADWAY, 75FT TO THE WEST REAR PROPERTY LINE, 130FT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE AND 190FT FROM THE NORTH SIDE. THE REVISED SITE REORIENTS THE PARKING LAYOUT SO THAT THE PARKING SPACES ARE FACING SOUTH TOWARDS THE HOMES. TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, THE APPLICANT IS ENHANCING THE PARKING LOT SCREENING BY PROVIDING BOTH A VEGETATIVE 
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SCREENING AND A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE TO ENSURE A MORE PERMANENT AND DURABLE BUFFER. 
          THE UDC ALSO REQUIRES FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS, A POD THAT IS ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THE APPLICANT. DUE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT PLANTING AND THE IMPACT WITH SEASONAL CHANGE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO A 25 FOOT TYPE B BUFFER WITH AN AVERAGE OF ONE MEDIUM OR LARGE EVERGREEN TREE SPACED NO MORE THAN 35FT APART, WHICH YOU CAN RELATE TO. A MINIMUM OF SEVEN TREES ALONG THE SOUTH. THESE MEASURES ARE INTENDED TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE AND THE PROPOSED OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPOSAL EXCEEDS THE RPO DISTRICT SCREENING AND BUFFER YARD STANDARDS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN STIPULATE AND INCLUDE ANY REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO BUILDING SETBACKS, HEIGHT, AREA LIMITATIONS, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, SCREENING, ACCESS WAYS, DRIVEWAYS, SIGNAGE AND SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO PROTECT TO FOR PROTECTION OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. REGARDING DRAINAGE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS. I DO WANT TO STATE THAT DRAINAGE AND LIKE INCREASED STORMWATER RUNOFF, ARE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS OF REVIEW IS THIS IS ONLY IT'S NOT. TOGETHER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS RECOMMENDATION OR THIS ZONING APPROVAL, STAFF IS AWARE THAT THERE WAS A DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2008, AND THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE FLOODING IN THE AREA. THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY INCREASED STORMWATER RUNOFF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE. WE ALSO DO HAVE DARRYL, WHO IS WITH THE OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE ENGINEER ENGINEERING PRESENT TODAY. IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS OF THE 14 NOTICES MAILED, THREE NOTICES WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR AND SIX WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND PROTEST TO THE REQUEST, BRINGING THE PROTEST CALCULATIONS TO 13.85. 
          ADDITIONALLY, NINE NOTICES OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER YARD WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AS WELL, AND ONE NEIGHBOR DID WITHDRAW THEIR OPPOSITION. AFTER REVIEWING THE REVISED PLAN THAT WAS PROPOSED, STAFF HAS PERFORMED A TECHNICAL REVIEW OF THE REQUEST AND FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR PROTECTION OF ADJOINING AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING. THE SITE PLAN IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A LITTLE IPAD ON MY DESK UP HERE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LIST PEOPLE WHO ARE AVAILABLE TO SPEAK. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT RIGHT NOW THE ONLY NAME ON IT IS GARY TRAYLOR, MR. TRAYLOR. MY NAME IS GARY TRAYLOR, AND I RESIDE AT 209 GLEN HAVEN DRIVE. AND MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THESE HEARINGS AND GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND LET THEIR VIEWS BE KNOWN. YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT JOB, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT ASPIRE TO IT. I AM HERE, IT IS OFTENTIMES NOT POSSIBLE TO REGISTER AN UNQUALIFIED OPPOSITION OR AN UNQUALIFIED SUPPORT FOR ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS. MOST OFTEN, THE POSITION THAT RESIDENTS HAVE IS THAT, WELL, I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT UNLESS YOU DID SO AND SO, OR I WOULD BE FOR THIS SUBJECT TO COMPLETING SOME IMPROVEMENT. AND THAT'S SORT OF THE POSITION THAT I FIND MYSELF IN SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. THE THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY IS WITH THE CONTINUED UNRESOLVED NEED FOR 
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IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MANAGEMENT OF STORMWATER THAT IS CARRIED BY THAT CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE AREA. AND I'M I'M HERE ALSO BECAUSE I WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MY DEAR NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, MISS BRENDA CAMERON, WHO, IF ANYONE SHOULD HAVE STANDING TO OPPOSE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS FROM UPSTREAM DEVELOPMENT. THIS LADY DOES BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN FLOODED FROM HER HOME ON AT LEAST TWO PREVIOUS OCCASIONS, AND THESE HAVE REQUIRED HER TO BE OUT OF HER HOUSE FOR REPAIRS FOR PERIODS OF TIME THAT ARE UP TO SIX MONTHS AT A TIME. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE VERY CONCERNED. I REALIZE THAT THIS SOMETIMES IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN, YOU SORT OF FEEL LIKE THAT. THIS IS SORT OF LIKE A BALL THAT GETS BOUNCED BETWEEN PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          AND THEN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PURVIEW OF THE OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN THAT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OR, OR, OR HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR. 
          I'VE LIVED WHERE, I'VE, WHERE I'VE LIVED NOW FOR 15 YEARS. AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND MOVED INTO IT, WE BEGAN TO EXPERIENCE THE REPETITIVE, DAMAGING NATURE OF OF OF RAINS IN THE AREA. AND WE WERE TOLD AT THAT TIME, WELL, LISTEN, THERE'S A PROJECT AND YOU'RE ON THE LIST. WELL, WE'VE BEEN ON THE LIST, IT SEEMS LIKE, OR AT LEAST MAYBE WE MAYBE THERE WAS A LIST AND THEN THE LIST GOT CHANGED OR WHATEVER. BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT I KNOW WE'VE GOT FOLKS TODAY THAT WOULD EVEN STAND HERE AND TELL YOU THIS PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPABLE. 
          WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT IS DEVELOPABLE. BUT THAT PRESUMES THAT THIS STORMWATER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR, IT'S NOT IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL PROJECT COMPARED TO MANY OF THOSE THAT EXIST IN AND AROUND TYLER. BUT I THINK THAT AFTER THIS MANY YEARS OF PEOPLE BEING TOLD THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, IT'S FINALLY TIME THAT THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I SUPPORT THE CHANGES THAT MR. SPENCER HAS MADE TO HIS SITE PLAN. I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS PUSHED HIS PROPOSED BUILDING ABOUT AS FAR TO THE NORTH AS IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO PUSH IT, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT THE 6000FT■!S THAT HE IS PROPOSING, THERE IS ONLY 400FT■!S LARGER THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AT A MUCH CLOSER DISTANCE TO THE HOMES ON BELLE MEADE. NOW, I, I SHARE THEIR CONCERNS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY DOES. NOBODY WANTS ANYTHING IN THEIR BACKYARDS, AND I HAVE BEEN AT THIS PODIUM TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION BEFORE TO THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL WORKED TOGETHER. WE'VE ALL DONE I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER. AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. SPENCER IS MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. I DON'T THINK THESE I DON'T THINK THESE DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE WITH REGARD TO WHO ANYBODY IS OR WHETHER YOU'RE A FRIEND OF THEM OR NOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, HE COULD BE GONE TOMORROW. BUT I DO THINK THAT HE HAS TRIED TO HEAR AND RESPOND TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. TRAYER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. TRAYER? IF NOT, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. SINCE MR. TRAYER TOOK THE NAME OF BRENDA CAMERON, I LIKE TO SEE IF MRS. CAMERON WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IF IF SO, BRENDA, YOU WANT TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. I AM BRENDA CAMERON, AND I LIVE AT 210 GLENHAVEN AND I HAVE FLOODED PREVIOUSLY AND GARY REALLY SPOKE VERY WELL FOR HOW I FEEL THAT THAT IS A HUGE, 
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HUGE ISSUE FOR ME, THAT THE DRAINAGE AND THE CREEK AND I THINK THE CITY IS VERY WELL AWARE OF IT. AND THAT'S MY MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT. ANYTHING THAT ADDS WATER IS SCARY TO ME. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRANDON, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. CAMERON? ALL RIGHT. THANK THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PERSON WHO SIGNED UP, SO WE'LL JUST TAKE PEOPLE AS THEY AS THEY COME. MR. BARR SIGNED UP ON THE COMPUTER. SORRY. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT COMPUTERS ARE LIKE. STATE. JOHN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WELL, I SPOKE LAST MONTH AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO AGAIN TO SPEAK TODAY. AS I REPORTED LAST MONTH, ORIGINALLY I HAD SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE. SINCE THAT TIME, MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEND 32,000 PLUS ON CONCRETE TO KEEP OUR LOT FROM WASHING AWAY. WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DAMAGE. WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND BRENDA CAMERON'S HOUSE 7 OR 8 YEARS AGO. AT THAT TIME, THE EROSION HAS COME AND GONE, HAS INCREASED, AND IT APPEARS TO ME IT'S INCREASED. AS THE TREES WERE TAKEN OFF OF THE LOT AND MORE PARKING LOTS. IT SHOWS TO HAVE MORE PARKING LOTS, A BIGGER PARKING LOT. AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PAVED SERVICE OR A CLEAN SERVICE, YOU GOT WATER VELOCITY INCREASES. WE KNOW THAT TYLER GETS 50IN OF RAIN A YEAR. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT 1.85 ACRES GETS 2,400,000 GALLONS A YEAR. THAT IS 20 MILLION POUNDS OF WATER. AND WATER DOES A HORRENDOUS JOB TO STRUCTURES AND DIRT AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THE CREEK HAVE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES ME AND MY WIFE WHO SPENT MONEY. I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THAT SORT OF THING. AND WHO DO WE LOOK FOR? YOU KNOW, THAT'S DOING IT? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT RETENTION POND IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. THEORETICALLY, A RETENTION POND IS THERE TO CATCH THE WATER AND THEN DRILL IT OUT. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM GOING INTO THE RETENTION POND, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE IS A BOX CULVERT ALL THE WAY FROM BROADWAY DOWN PAST FAIRLANE. BUT AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE SPEAKER FIRST SPEAKER WAS TALKING ABOUT. CITY NEEDS TO BE DUE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT AT THIS POINT, I SURE DON'T SEE THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A BUILDING UP THERE BECAUSE OF THE WATER PROBLEM. IF THE WATER PROBLEM COULD BE SOLVED WITH A BOX CULVERT ALL THE WAY, THEN FINE, I'D GO ALONG WITH IT. BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING PEOPLE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT WHAT THE IMPACT HAS BEEN ON THE NEIGHBORS THAT UP AND DOWN THE CREEK. I THINK THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ONE THING TO HELP SOME DEVELOPER, AND I'M ALL FOR HELPING DEVELOPERS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE. SO THAT'S. I GUESS ABOUT IT FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M AGAINST IT. AND THE REASON I'M AGAINST IT, BECAUSE IT'S AFFECTING US IN THE BOTTOM LINE. AND UNTIL THAT WATER PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITH A BOX COVERED ALL THE WAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HOPE. THANK YOU, MR. BARR. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. BUT FOR THE RECORD, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? FOR THE RECORD, JOHN H. BARR AND I LIVE ON TWO ONE, MY WIFE AND I, AT TWO ONE BELLE MEADE. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARR? AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. TIME AND PRESENCE. ARE THERE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YEAH, I'LL. OKAY. MY NAME IS MICHAEL LAIR. I'M A RESIDENT AT 225 BELLE MEAD LANE. AND I SPOKE LAST TIME, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, IT'S INFRINGEMENT. LET'S SAY, ON THE VERY FINE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT IS A FINE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND FOR, FOR ME AND SOME OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A FINANCIAL RISK THAT THE CITY. 
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OH, AND I WANT TO SAY THEY'RE NEGLIGENT, BUT WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION AT MERCEDES-BENZ OF TYLER, WHERE WE'VE PUT IN A PARKING LOT AND THE CITY HAS KIND OF LET THIS DRAINAGE CANAL JUST KIND OF GO. AND WE CAN SEE THE PERSON ACROSS THE WAY FROM IT AND LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MAJOR DOESN'T HAPPEN. HIS PROPERTY PROBABLY WILL FALL INTO THIS CREEK. AND SOME OF IT IS JUST, I THINK, NEGLIGENCE. AND I KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO FIX ALL THESE WATER ISSUES. I HAPPEN TO BE RIDING MY BIKE ON ROSE RUDMAN, YOU OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT ROSE RUDMAN AND SOME OF THE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CANALS THERE ON THAT PROPERTY. THEY'VE GOT TWO SINKHOLES THAT IF THEY DON'T FIX THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT ONE OF THE CONCRETE BIKE PATHS. AND IT WON'T BE WON'T BE LONG EITHER. AND I HAD A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION WITH MY PROPERTY WHEN I CALLED THE CITY. SOMEBODY CAME OUT, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME AND SAID, HEY, THAT'S ON YOU, THE DEVELOPER. THE DEVELOPER PUT THAT IN 40 YEARS AGO. YOUR WALL, YOUR PROPERTY, THAT DRAINAGE DITCH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND SO THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THE THE FLOOD OR THE RAIN OF JUNE 2024 CAME AND TOOK OUT THE WALL AND SENT SO MUCH CONCRETE AND STONE UNDER THE BRIDGE THERE ON FAIR LANE TO THE OTHER SIDE. BUT I HAVE PHOTOS OF IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU KNOW IT PROBABLY BE GOOD. AND I KNOW MISS CAMERON, YOU KNOW, HAS HAD TWO ISSUES THAT WERE DEVASTATING FOR HER. AND I REALLY THINK AND I KNOW THAT THE THE BUILDING IS NOT SUPPOSED TO OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ADD MUCH MORE RAINWATER OR MUCH MORE WATER TO THIS PROBLEM. BUT THE PROBLEM EXISTS AND I UNDERSTAND IT GOES UNDER BROADWAY ALL THE WAY TO TROUP HIGHWAY. THIS CREEK. SO ADDING EXTRA WATER, ANY EXTRA WATER I THINK IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL. AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M PRO-BUSINESS. I, I'M, I'M SYMPATHIZING WITH MR. SPENCER, BUT I THINK AS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS A CITY, I THINK THE CITY OF TYLER NEEDS TO STEP UP AND BE MORE PROACTIVE WITH SOME OF THESE FLOODING AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT AFFECT RESIDENTS. AND I HOPE, I HOPE THAT THERE COMES TO A RESOLUTION THAT'S THAT WORKS FOR MR. SPENCER, THAT WORKS FOR THE BELLEMEADE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS I THINK IT'S GLEN HAVEN STREET AS WELL. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. LEHRER. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? AGAIN, THANK THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ARE THERE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU? HELLO, MY NAME IS JAMES MCCAIN AND I LIVE AT 219 BELLE MEAD NEXT TO MICHAEL LAIR, AND THESE ARE SOME VIDEOS I'VE SHOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS JUST OF MY CREEK. AND THIS IS LOOK, IT'S NOT EVEN RAINING HARD. SO I JUST THE WATER IS A BIG ISSUE. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD OUR HOUSES DOWN, THERE'S NO QUESTION. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. AND I MEAN, A LITTLE MORE WATER IS GOING TO BE IN MY BACKYARD IN MY HOUSE. IT'S ALREADY COMING OUT OF THE BANKS ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S NOT EVEN RAINING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCCAIN. ANY. I'M SORRY. WE'LL WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER COMMENTS YOU HAVE. WE HAVE TO SORT OF DO THIS ONE AT A TIME. MR. MCCAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, TIME AND PRESENCE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCCAIN? THIS IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK THAT. YES. 
          HI, I'M TRIXIE BELLE CARLOCK. I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY MOTHER. I HAVE A POWER OF 
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ATTORNEY. SHE IS TRIXIE BELLE. SHE WAS THE FIRST RESIDENT ON BELLE MEADE LANE. SHE LIVES AT 212 BELLE MEADE LANE. AND I WANTED TO ASK WHAT I WAS QUICKLY. I'M SORRY. I WAS OUT OF ORDER, BUT I WANTED TO ASK MR. MCCAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS THE WATER BEHIND HIS HOUSE. I KNOW THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT RAIN ON FEBRUARY THE 15TH, AND IF IT HOW HIGH THE WATER WAS THAT DAY. OR MAYBE YOU WERE OUT OF TOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO. MY PARENTS BOTH WERE HERE IN 2019 AND WERE OPPOSED TO CHANGING TO THE POD DESIGNATION. MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS. I'VE TOLD YOU ALL THAT BEFORE OF WITH SMITH. REYNOLDS OF BELLE MEADE MINE, THE THE CIRCLE. I'M NEVER HAD EXPERIENCE WITH WATER. I JUST THOUGHT THIS YOU KNOW, THE CITY TAKES CARE OF THIS. AND RECENTLY IN THE LAST YEAR, I LIVE IN DALLAS AND. I, WE HAD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE SILT HAD BUILT UP IN A STORM DRAIN AND IT WAS FLOODING A MAJOR STREET, AND THEY COULD NOT EVEN GET IT DOWN. AND THEY'VE GONE DOWN AND DONE EVERYTHING TO IT, SO SUDDENLY REALIZED, OH, THAT'S WHAT STORM DRAINS ARE FOR. AND SO I'VE HEARD ALL OF THE WATER ISSUES AND I, I NOTICED THIS ALL KIND OF JUST CLICKED AND CAME TOGETHER RECENTLY FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS PAYING MY MOTHER'S WATER BILL. AND THERE'S A NEW STYLE OF WATER BILL IN THE CITY OF TYLER NOW, AND IT LISTS THESE STORM WATER DRAINAGE. AND I NOTICED THAT WEST MUD CREEK I WENT, I SEEN THAT WHERE WAS IT? AND I FOUND IT. I SAW IT ON MR. SPENCER'S PROPOSAL, AND IT'S PRINTED OUT RIGHT THERE, WEST MUD CREEK AND TRIBUTARY. AND THIS IS THE MC2 TRIBUTARY. AND. SO I WAS LIKE, WHERE DOES THIS COME FROM AND WHERE IS IT GOING? IT'S IT'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE. I WAS DRIVING TODAY AND I NOTICED THAT THERE IS A STORM DRAIN RIGHT WHERE WEST MUD CREEK IS COMING FROM, OVER PAST DONNYBROOK AND ON A LITTLE NORTH OF WILMA STREET. BUT IT COMES THROUGH AND. THIS GOES RIGHT IN NEAR THE POND OR THE THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I ALSO NOTICED, THERE'S A A SMALL, SMALL STORM DRAIN ON BROADWAY, RIGHT WHERE THAT WEST MUD CREEK TRIBUTARIES COMING THROUGH. BUT ON THE EAST SIDE YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING'S BUILT UP THERE, AND IT'S BACKING UP SOMEWHAT, OBVIOUSLY NOT BACKING UP MUCH BECAUSE THE WATER IS STILL COMING THROUGH, BUT AND THERE ARE NO OTHER STORM DRAINS ON BROADWAY UNTIL YOU GET UP TO IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH UP TO THE SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT AT CHRISTUS HEALTH THERE, THERE'S A SMALL STORM DRAIN THERE ON EACH SIDE OF BROADWAY, AND THEN THERE NONE UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO WHERE THIS THIS TRIBUTARY COMES THROUGH. AND IT'S A LOGICAL FLOW FOR THE WATER BECAUSE IT HAS NOWHERE TO GO BUT DOWN BROADWAY BECAUSE OF THE LAND. AND FROM FAIR LANE IT DIPS DOWN. SO YEAH, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE SUFFERING FROM THE FLOODING. ANYWAY, IT'S BEEN INTERESTING FOR ME. I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, IT. IT CIRCLES, IT, GOES UP, TRAILED IT, AND IT GOES UNDER FAIRLANE. AND I READ ABOUT 340FT DOWN. THERE'S A CONFLUENCE AND THAT CLEARLY GOES DOWN TO SUNNYBROOK BETWEEN GREENWAY AND GREEN OAKS. I BELIEVE THERE'S SORT OF A CULVERT IT MUST FLOW THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE THING AT YOUR AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EVERY HOME ON BELL BELL LANE IN ATTENDANCE. NOT ALL SPOKE, BUT THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON FROM EVERY HOME WHO AT THAT TIME WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. TODAY THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL BUT ONE. AND MR. SWOBODA SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE LATE, SO HE MAY BE COMING. I THINK 
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YOU CAN TELL WE ARE VERY CONCERNED. WE'RE VERY CONCERNED. AND I ALSO I THINK I AGREE THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. AND THE DRAINAGE, WHERE THERE'S AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF TREES HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THIS LAND. AND I'M SURE IT WAS IN PREPARATION FOR DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT'S IT'S STILL A CONCERN FOR THE HOMEOWNERS. AND. I THINK WE ALL NEED AND IT'S A SENSITIVE TOPIC FOR OUR VALUES AND ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE. WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY WE'RE BEING VERY PROACTIVE. BUT YOU CROSS FAIR LINE AND BELLEMEADE CONTINUES. 
          AND FOR QUITE A FEW HOMES THEY'RE AFFECTED BEHIND, THEY ARE GOING TO FEEL THE BURDEN OF THIS WATER ALSO. SO THANK YOU. THANK THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ARE THERE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WILL. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WILL. RITCHIE. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. WILL RITCHIE I'M AT 119 BELLEMEADE LANE. THIS IS MY KIND OF WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO DENY THE ZONING CHANGE. I'VE GOT TWO PROBLEMS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. ONE, THE PROCEDURAL PROBLEM STILL UNDER UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION TEN, DASH 655, AND THEN TWO, THE SUBSTANTIVE PROBLEM DIVERTING SURFACE WATER. AND YOU ALL HAVE HEARD A LOT A DELUGE, IF YOU WILL, OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH WATER HERE. SO LAST, MR. RITCHIE, LET ME LET ME STOP YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE, BECAUSE WE ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE OF ITEM A ZONING BEING VOID BECAUSE OF A PRIOR SITUATION. 
          I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEY AND WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THAT AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS NOT A VALID WAY TO ATTACK THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. 
          THERE MAY BE WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THIS VENUE. AND I'M I KNOW THIS IS ESSENTIAL TO YOUR CASE, BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. MR. HUDSON, THANK YOU. AND I WAS SIMPLY LOOKING AT THIS STATUTE OR THIS PROVISION SAYING DEEMED VOID IF THERE'S EVIDENCE OF THAT. AND WE HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS LAST TIME THAT I THINK PROVIDE MORE EVIDENCE OF THAT, INCLUDING THERE WAS A SEWER LINE THAT THAT WAS HIT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW THERE'S COMMENTS ABOUT TRYING TO GET OUT OF A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT, BUT I'LL MOVE ON. AND I THINK AS WELL, THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS BEING ADVERTISED AT 8000FT■!S, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ONLY APPROVED FOR 5600FT■!S. I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH CONSIDERING THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY SPECIFICALLY APPROVED. BUT MOVING ON TO THE SECOND POINT, AND THAT IS WE'RE ALREADY AT THE WATER TIPPING POINT. YOU'VE HEARD HOMEOWNERS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'VE SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO FIX WATER ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CREEK RUNNING BEHIND THEIR HOME. NOW, WE KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPERS POND SENDS WATER TO THE CREEK. THIS ACTUALLY IS. THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD. THIS IS FROM THE ORDINANCE FROM 2019. AND IT'S QUOTE, MR. SPENCER DID SAY THAT THE POND WAS BEING ENGINEERED TO REDUCE THE IMPACTS OF DOWNSTREAM PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THE POND AND THE CREEK ARE CONNECTED. THIS IS A SLIDE OF PEOPLE SPEAKING AT THE LAST HEARING AND ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES. AND I'VE GOT A BULLET POINT THERE. IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO DIVERT AND ADD MORE SURFACE WATER TO THE POND. THAT, OF COURSE, IS CONNECTED TO THE CREEK. WE'VE GOT A WATER CODE PROVISION SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EXISTING BECAUSE OF THAT UNREASONABLENESS, THAT PEOPLE CANNOT DIVERT SURFACE WATER IF IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S A BIG DEAL, WHICH IS WHY YOU CAN HAVE SUBSTANTIAL VERDICTS FOR THAT. THERE'S A CASE WHERE AT THE TIME OF THE DIVERSION, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE WATER. MISS LUNA REFERENCED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THAT TWO HOMEOWNERS WERE THERE. I WAS ONE OF THEM. AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS THAT THE THE WATER, THE ADDITIONAL 
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RUNOFF THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO CREATE, IT COULD GRAVITATE TOWARDS THE SWALE MEANING LOW SLOT. THE NEW WORD I DIDN'T KNOW BETWEEN ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HOUSE AND ALSO ME. 
          UNLESS THE THE PROPOSAL I BELIEVE WAS THE PARKING LOT WOULD CAUSE THE WATER TO BE DIVERTED INTO THE POND. SO I THINK THAT RIGHT THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT WE'VE GOT A DIVERSION OF THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE RAIN, AND WE'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS HERE OF THE CREEK THAT IS A RIVER RUNNING BEHIND ALL THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES. AND THIS IS AFTER THE POND WAS MADE, BUT IT'S BEFORE THE PARKING LOT THAT IS GOING TO BE DIVERTING ADDITIONAL RUNOFF TO THE POND THAT JUST SENDS IT TO THE CREEK. SO THE REAL ROCK AND A HARD SPOT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I READ EARLIER FROM WHAT WAS SAID AT THE LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING IS THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, BECAUSE I'VE GOT BLUE ARROWS HERE OF WHERE IT WOULD CAUSE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF TO GRAVITATE NEAR HOMES. THAT'S MY HOUSE AS WELL AS MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND VOTING AGAINST IT, WHICH IS WHAT I DO AND CONTINUE TO BE AGAINST THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE WATER GOING TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, BUT VOTING FOR IT AS WELL AS THIS BODY APPROVING IT IS GOING TO, AS I UNDERSTOOD, THE DEVELOPER SAID, ALLOW FOR THE PARKING, THIS NEW PARKING LOT TO CATCH THE WATER AND TO SEND IT TO THE POND THAT THEN SHOOTS IT ON DOWN THE DOWN THE CREEK BEHIND ALL THOSE ALL THOSE HOMES. AND ACTUALLY ON THIS PICTURE HERE, IT USED TO BE ONLINE, BUT INTERESTINGLY, IT SEEMS AS IF ALL OF THE RUNOFF IS JUST GOING STRAIGHT IN THE DIRECTION OF THOSE YELLOW ARROWS THERE. SO AS MR. TRAYLOR I THINK, HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, SORT OF GOING ON THIS POINT, I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT EXTENSIVE STUDIES AND ANALYZES ARE DONE FOR THIS PROJECT THAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE PROCEDURAL PROBLEMS. BUT SUBSTANTIVELY, CERTAINLY WITH ADDING MORE WATER TO AN ALREADY BAD SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE LITERALLY AT THE TIPPING POINT NOW, I THINK THOSE ARE REASONS THAT THIS BODY SHOULD BE DENYING THE ZONING CHANGE, AND THAT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. RITCHIE, FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RITCHIE? ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WOULD. JOHN. I HAVE FOUND AS I GET OLDER I FORGET STUFF. SO I HAD TO WRITE DOWN WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE OFF THE TOP. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT MR. SPENCER WANTS TO DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE US. BUT MY CONCERN HAS TO BE PRIMARILY FOR MY NEIGHBORS AND OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH IS NOT A TRANSIENT AREA. PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE THERE FOR THE LONG TERM. I WAS OPPOSED INITIALLY WITH THIS SEVEN, SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS AGO. I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT WAS. AND AT THAT TIME I WAS OPPOSED TO IT PRIMARILY FROM FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE BASED UPON WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THERE AND THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE IN AND OUT. AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT HAS SUBSIDED WITH ME. I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ACCESS 24 HOURS A DAY. SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, Y'ALL LAST TIME WE MET AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU TOOK ME UP ON IT FROM BASICALLY NOVEMBER THROUGH. NOW, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THAT CUL DE SAC, YOU HAVE A CLEAR SHOT NORTH TO WHERE THAT SPINE CLINIC? I DON'T KNOW OFFICIALLY THE NAME OF IT, BUT THAT FOR THAT SPINE CLINIC IS I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT ALL THE WAY UP AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW ADDING A NEW STRUCTURE THAT'S THAT MUCH CLOSER TO OUR BELLEMEADE RESIDENCES. OKAY. AND I 
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ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SPENCER GROUP, YOU KNOW, WILL WILL IS GOING TO TRY TO BEEF UP THE, THE, THE COVERAGE THERE SO WE WON'T HAVE IT. AND I GOT A FLAT TIRE. THEY'D HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT SATISFACTORY THE WAY IT IS NOW. BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS AND EVERYBODY'S TALKED ABOUT IT IS THE WATER RUNOFF. AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISMISS THE FACT THAT IT HAS A HISTORY OF HAPPENING AND THAT IT'S CAUSED SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY ON THAT BELLEMEADE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S COST THEM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. NOW, I IN MY LIFETIME, I'VE LIVED IN A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOES IT IT DOES INCREASE YOUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIAL SITUATION OF ALL MY NEIGHBORS, BUT I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE THEY CAN PAY THAT. BUT WHEN YOU COMBINE THE FACT OF THE RISK THEY'RE TAKING, THE POTENTIAL HARM TO THEIR PROPERTIES AND ANY FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE TIED TO THAT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISMISS THAT. AND SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ON THIS. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. THIS IS A THANKLESS JOB YOU GUYS DO. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GASTON, FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GASTON? IF NOT, ARE THERE OTHERS HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK? CERTAINLY. TALK. OKAY, LOOK. 
          MR. I'LL CALL YOU AFTER YOU PLACE FIRST AND I COME BACK. OKAY. JENNIFER, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. JENNIFER GASTON 106 BELLE MEADE LANE I SAW THAT WE HAD 13.85 IN OPPOSITION AND ONE WITHDREW. I'M SORRY FOR THAT NEIGHBOR THAT WITHDREW BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL AFFECT THEM THE MOST. I PULLED OUT THE PLAT OF WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IN 2019, AND I'M KIND OF A TREE HUGGER, AND THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WERE ELIMINATED SURELY HAS AFFECTED THE PROBLEMS HERE. AND IF YOU NEED TO SEE THIS, I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE IT IN YOUR RECORD SOMEWHERE. OH YEAH, THERE'S A THERE'S AN AX ON EVERY TREE THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN. KIND OF HIPPIE. THERE YOU GO. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS PANEL AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE, WAS CLINTON. WERE YOU ON HERE IN 2019 OR DID YOU COME THEREAFTER? NO, MA'AM, I KNOW I, I THINK I GOT HERE LIKE IN 2023. OKAY. YOU WERE OKAY. THANK YOU MICHAEL. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OH, THAT WAS WOODED. AND THE HOMELESS PEOPLE WILL AND BERKSHIRE AND I MADE PHONE CALLS AND THAT WAS ALL ELIMINATED. IT WAS WOODED AND IT'S NO LONGER WOODED. AND THE WATER RUNS. I'VE DONE THE ROUTE. I'VE NOW I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH MUD CREEK. NOT ALL THE WAY UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE ON THE CORNER OF WILMA AND DONNYBROOK. AND YESTERDAY, EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T RAINED SINCE MID-FEBRUARY, IT'S RUNNING. 
          IT'S IT'S A STEADY FLOW. STEADY FLOW. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS BEYOND THIS 200FT THAT THAT'S REALLY MY CONCERN. AND LIKE JOHN SAID, WE LIVED ON GREENWAY AND AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT WEATHER IS UNPREDICTABLE. THE FARMER'S DAUGHTER AND WE STILL COMPARE. 
          HOW MUCH DID IT RAIN? YOU REALLY CAN'T CONTROL WATER TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO, I TRY TO AVOID BROADWAY AND THAT LITTLE AREA WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE IT GET A GULLY WASHER THERE. I STILL THINK THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST USE OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THIS PLANNED OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. SO CLOSE TO OUR WELL ESTABLISHED RESIDENCE, I BELIEVE I HEARD THAT THE THERE WERE SEVEN TREE MINIMUM. SEVEN SEVEN TREES AND TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN TO THE WEST THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SIX. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TREES, WILLIAM. IT'S NOT ENOUGH 
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TREES. PLANNING AND ZONING. THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION TO SOMEHOW ABSORB THIS WATER AND SOMEHOW CREATE A BUFFER FROM OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. Y'ALL HAVE A VERY THANKLESS JOB. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO. IT'S A NO WIN SITUATION IN SOME SOME REGARDS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND OUR CONCERNS. 
          THANK YOU. JENNIFER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. GASTON? IF NOT, ARE THERE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. HELLO, AMANDA SLAUGHTER 224 BELLEMEADE I KNOW WE SPOKE LAST TIME ABOUT OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRYING TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN THE AZALEA, BUT WE ARE, PER THE WEBSITE OF THE CITY, IT RUNS FROM DOBBS TO FAIR. SO WE REALLY ARE IN THE AZALEA, THE SOUTHERN TIP. TODAY I WANTED TO MENTION SOME ISSUES WE'VE HAD. WE ARE NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE BEEN THERE, I GUESS ALMOST FOUR YEARS. AND WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN, EVERYTHING WAS FINE. BUT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE STARTED NOTICING OUR YARD FLOODING. AND IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MY HOME. AND SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD OUR PATIO REDONE, WE DUG UP MY HUSBAND, MY 11 YEAR OLD SON, AND MAYBE ONE HELPER, AND WE REDUG FROM OUR BACK OF OUR HOME ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE, ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET, AND PUT IN NEW DRAINS SO THAT ALL THE WATER COMING OFF OUR ROOF AND COMING IN WOULD GO TO THE STREET. IT IS STILL FLOODED STILL TO THIS DAY. 
          I CAN WALK BACK THERE TODAY. IT HASN'T RAINED IN AGES AND THERE'S WATER POOLING THERE. 
          WE'VE CHECKED THE SPRINKLERS, WE'VE DONE ALL THE THINGS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF BELLE MEETING. IF Y'ALL AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CUL DE SAC IS AT THE TOP. WHEN IT ICED, MY KIDS STARTED THERE AND SLID DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCLINE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A LOT OF RAIN AND IT JUST SITS THERE. IT DOESN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE. SO THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A YEAR, I BELIEVE I HEARD. IS THAT CORRECT? A YEAR? A LOT OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH REAL ESTATE. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION. AND WHEN A PROPERTY IS FOR SALE THAT LONG, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. WHY ISN'T IT SOLD? WHY HASN'T SOMEONE COME IN AND SNATCHED IT UP? THAT IS PRIME REAL ESTATE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I'M SURE THERE ARE ANSWERS FOR THAT. BUT ME AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I MEAN, I, I QUESTION WHY IT HASN'T SOLD. THEN MY THINKING GOES TO, WELL, MAYBE IT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          WHY ISN'T SOMEONE COME IN AND SNATCHED IT UP TO DO THAT? THEN MY NEXT THOUGHT IS WHAT BANK IS GOING TO TOUCH IT? SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THE PROPERTY IS BEAUTIFUL. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, EAGLE SCOUTS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LOVE TO GET AHOLD OF THAT AND MAKE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF TYLER. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A VERY LOGICAL THINKING THING AT THIS POINT. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SITE PLANNING AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THERE ARE IDEAS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND PUT MR. SPENCER'S BUILDING SOMEWHERE ELSE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPOTS TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY. AND LAST, I JUST WANT TO END WITH THIS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A TOUGH JOB REALLY. AND EVERYBODY SAID IT, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU LIVED AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT HILL? WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR MOTHER WAS THERE OR YOUR RELATIVE? SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MRS. CLARK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? ARE THERE OTHERS? MAYBE. CAN WE HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER ADDRESS? SOME OF THE. IS THERE IS THE CITY ENGINEER HERE? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THERE HE IS. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, NOT CITY ENGINEER. I'M THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER, DARYL KUTZER. SO THE 
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ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BRANDON CORPORATION HAS EVALUATED THIS SECTION OF THE TRIBUTARY. THIS IS A TRIBUTARY OF THE WEST MUD CREEK. THEY THEY HAVE IT'S AT THE STAGE OF THEY'VE SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT, WHICH WE'VE GIVEN SOME COMMENTS TO. THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THE SECTION I FORGET HOW FAR IT IS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET OF THIS CREEK BE WIDENED. I THINK IT'S ABOUT SEVEN FEET NOW TO ABOUT 15FT TO ACCOMMODATE THE WATER THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE. IT'S ABOUT 1700 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT DOES COME THROUGH THIS TRIBUTARY. AND AS FAR AS THE THE DRAINAGE THAT WILL BE EVALUATED FOR THE PROJECT, I MEAN, IT WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. WE WOULD LOOK AT I DID SPEAK WITH MR. BOB BREEDLOVE. 
          HE'S THE ONE THAT HAD WORKED ON THE STUDY. HIS SUGGESTION, JUST INITIALLY LOOKING AT IT, WOULD IF THIS PROJECT DID HAVE ITS OWN DETENTION, MAYBE ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ABUT A TRIBUTARY? IT'S ALL BASED ON THE TIMING ANALYSIS. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THE ONE VIDEO, THE CREEK WAS ELEVATED AND IT WASN'T RAINING. IT'S LIKE I'M ON. I LIVE OUT IN BOULEVARD AND WEST MUD CREEK THAT CROSSES 344 DOWN THERE. IT DOESN'T REACH PEAK DOWN THERE UNTIL ABOUT 24 HOURS AFTER A RAIN EVENT, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S THAT MUCH FARTHER DOWNSTREAM. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, DEPENDING WHERE YOU ARE ON A CREEK OR A TRIBUTARY, SOMETIMES IT'S BENEFICIAL JUST TO LET YOUR WATER. AND AS FAR AS A TIMING ANALYSIS, TO ALLOW YOUR WATER TO LEAVE SOONER AND NOT BE DETAINED, BECAUSE WHAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF MR. SPENCER DID HAVE A DETENTION POND, IT COULD ACTUALLY WHEN THE CREEK PEAKS, HE WOULD STILL BE DISCHARGING. WHEN THAT WATER WOULD, WOULD, WOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT SECTION OF THE TRIBUTARY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD JUST NEED TO LOOK AT AND EVALUATE WHEN, WHEN HE WOULD COME IN WITH ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. IS THIS DOWNSTREAM SECTION ON ANY PROPOSED IT FUTURE? IT IS I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S ON A TIER A TIER THREE THERE. THERE'S DIFFERENT TIERS FOR OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS. I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE CITIZENS JUST TO CONTINUE TO CALL THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THERE'S A RAIN EVENT AND THERE IS FLOODING AND LET THEM KNOW AND TRY TO GET THAT BECAUSE THEY DO IT YEARLY, THEY DO REEVALUATE ALL THE PROJECTS. SO THE MORE THE CITIZENS ARE VOCAL ABOUT THIS AND IT COULD RAISE THE I THINK THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT FIVE 500,000. THERE'S TWO OPTIONS. THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY SIMILAR BETWEEN 450 AND 500,000. TO DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY THE MODEL IT WOULD LOWER THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION ABOUT SIX FEET IN THIS AREA. SO IT WOULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE RESIDENCES AND HOW FAR DOWN THE SCHEDULE IS A TIER FOUR. TIER THREE, I THINK THAT'S IN THE 3 TO 5 YEARS. BUT DON'T DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT. MR. COTTON, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROY? MR. GONZALES, I JUST I'M NOT THE ENGINEER, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THAT POND ITSELF, AND THE POND ITSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF IT SEEMS TO BE THE SAME ELEVATION AS IT DOES WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE SITTING. SO IS IT REALLY A POND OR IS THERE JUST A LOWER TRIBUTARY RUNNING RIGHT JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT THAT'S REALLY NOT COLLECTING ANY ADDITIONAL WATER? THE POND ITSELF, ACCORDING TO THE ELEVATION HERE, SAYS 525 IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. I CAN'T SEE THOSE FROM HERE. LET ME. YEAH. I MEAN, I DO BELIEVE AS FAR AS WHERE THE BUILDINGS SIT, AND THAT IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THE POND ELEVATION YOU CAN SEE CROSSING BROADWAY THERE. THOSE LINES THAT CROSS THAT IS A CULVERT THAT COMES THROUGH. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT POND IS ACTUALLY AFFECTING DOWNSTREAM. I'M SURE IT'S HOLDING SOME SOME OF THAT WATER AS IT BACKS UP INTO IT, BUT IT IT APPEARS TO BE OVERFLOWING AS THE AS THE WATER DRAINS FROM BROADWAY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DIRECTLY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE TRIBUTARY. SO IT'S NOT INCREASING IN LEVEL, IT'S GOING 
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RIGHT THROUGH IT. SO PROBABLY IT PROBABLY RISES SOME AS THE CREEK RISES. BUT AS FAR AS ACTUAL DETENTION, I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE IT'S ACTUALLY HOLDING. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DESIGN OF THAT POND, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT ON ON WHAT I'M SEEING ON CONTOURS, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S HOLDING THAT MUCH AND I UNDERSTAND JUST AS RAIN EVENTS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SEDIMENT THAT COMES DOWNSTREAM, JUST NATURAL EROSION, YOU KNOW, OF OUR SOILS. SO THAT POND PROBABLY IS FILLED IN QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY JUST WITH THE RAIN EVENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH VOLUME IS ACTUALLY DETAINING THE WATER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR EXPERTISE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? ONE OTHER QUESTION. WOULD DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE SPEED UP THAT 3 TO 5 YEAR TIMELINE? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT WITH BRANDON CORPORATION. JUST HAVE THEM EVALUATE. I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF. RUNOFF THAT THIS SITE IS GOING TO PRODUCE TO THE OVERALL WHEN WE'RE TALKING 1700 COMING THROUGH THE THE TRIBUTARY. THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHILE IT WILL BE INCREASING THE RUNOFF, IT WON'T IT WON'T BE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, IN THE MAGNITUDE OF THE OVERALL 1700 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND THAT'S COMING THROUGH. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED CITIZEN CONCERN CALL VOLUME. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS COULD DO TO SPEED UP THAT TIMELINE? I'M NOT AWARE OF, OTHER THAN JUST EACH YEAR THEY THEY EVALUATE THE PROJECTS. SO I THINK THE MORE THE MORE THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, TALK AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. LAST QUESTIONS. WHAT TIME OF YEAR DO THEY EVALUATE THE PROJECTS THAT. OKAY, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP ELEVATE PROJECTS ON THAT LIST. AND SOME OF THAT CAN BE IF THERE'S OUTSIDE FUNDING, EXTERNAL FUNDING, OUTSIDE OF THE HALF CENT SALES TAX OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, CITY FUNDS THAT WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS A PROJECT. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME EXTERNAL FUNDING, MAYBE LIKE IN A JOINT PROJECT WITH MAYBE A HOSPITAL OR SOMETHING. SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. THERE ALSO, IT'S ABOUT THIS TIME THAT THEY START WORKING ON LOOKING AT REEVALUATING THE LIST. AND HEATHER, THIS THIS TIER THREE IS A IS A HALF CENT SALES TAX PROJECT. IS THAT CORRECT. IT'S A YES. IT'S AN EXERCISE THEY THEY GO THROUGH AND IT'S THAT'S WHERE IT IS ON THE CURRENT LIST. 
          ON THE CURRENT LIST. YES. YEAH. COULD GO COULD GO UP. IT COULD COULD GO DOWN. IT COULD. YEAH. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS. SO YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY EVALUATE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE CONDITIONS. AND AND THEY ALSO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS TO THANK YOU. THERE'S THERE'S A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALONG. 
          BUT WE CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY ANY COMMENTS FROM THOSE WHO ARE HERE. YES. OKAY. PLEASE. PLEASE DO. ALRIGHT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT, BUT IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TIER THREE THING AND THIS DEVELOPMENT SUCH THAT WE WANT THE TIER THREE THING TO BE SPED UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT? OR AM I MISSING ON THAT? NO DECISION. THE DECISION IS SEPARATELY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE DO TODAY. OKAY. WHILE THEY MAY BE SEPARATE DECISIONS, I MEAN, IS TIER IS IT MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT THE TIER THREE THING GETS APPROVED BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH? I DON'T SERVE ON THE HALF CENT SALES TAX BOARD. I KNOW THAT NEITHER OF THESE PEOPLE. I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. IS IT? IT APPEARS TO BE. WHILE MAYBE THERE, I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION, WITH RESPECT TO THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF, IS IT THE CASE THAT WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE CREEK FROM THIS? IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH? THAT? MR. RICHIE, THAT QUESTION CALLS FOR SPECULATION. OKAY, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I WOULD JUST SUBMIT THEN THAT IF 
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THERE'S ADDITIONAL RUNOFF AND IT'S NEGLIGIBLE OR WHATEVER AMOUNT, I THINK THE KEY WORD THERE IS ADDITIONAL TO A CREEK SYSTEM THAT SEEMS TO ALREADY BE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR HOMEOWNERS, INCLUDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MR. ALLAIRE, AS WELL AS ON DOWN THE LINE ON BELLEMEADE. AND FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS THAT CREEK BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF. SURE, SURE. PLEASE. PLEASE DO SO, KYLE WITH I UNDERSTAND I'VE READ IT A MILLION TIMES THAT THE DRAINAGE DESIGN, IT'S OUT OF OUR PURVIEW ON THIS COMMISSION. SO IF WE IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED, WHEN DOES THE ENGINEERING REVIEW PROCESS COME IN TO THIS EQUATION? OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE THEY WOULD START BUILDING. OR IS IT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD THEN VOTE ON IT AGAIN, OR WHAT'S THE ORDER? RIGHT. SO WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY IS THE THE THE SITE LAYOUT. IF IT PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. SO THE ANSWERING QUESTION WHEN WHEN WOULD THAT COME UP. 
          THAT WOULD BE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. IT COULD BE THE THE GRADING PERMIT OR OR BUILDING PERMIT. ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT, THAT REVIEW. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDRESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THAT PRIOR TO ANY, ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, IT'S GOING TO THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE LOCAL CODES AND ORDINANCES RELATED TO, RELATED TO DRAINAGE AND, AND RUNOFF. AND SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT BEFORE ANYTHING GETS DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. I DO KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I ALSO KNOW THEY ARE AN ENGINEER AND I I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CAN THEY CAN ADD TO MAYBE WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT FOR THIS SITE FOR THAT NEXT PHASE, BUT. THANKS. THANKS, CLINT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? IF IF NOT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS. TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO REVISE THE LAYOUT OF AN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? KYLE? YES, THAT'S THE ESTATE. THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS THERE THAT THE CITY STAFF MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. COULD WE HERE WE MAKE WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION. CLINT, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF HE'S IF HE'S IF HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          ANYBODY THAT'S HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. EVERYBODY. WILLIAM SPENCER, 200 GLENHAVEN DRIVE, NEIGHBOR AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. I THINK CITY STAFF DID A WONDERFUL JOB PRESENTING KIND OF THE CHANGES BETWEEN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2019 TO WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW AS AS SOMEBODY THAT'S THAT'S AFFECTED BY THIS. I THINK THIS IS A BETTER OPTION. 
          AND I THINK ANNA DID A WONDERFUL JOB SPELLING OUT WHY IT'S A BETTER OPTION FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENCES. IT'S ACTUALLY A BIGGER TREE BUFFER. BUT WE PLAN TO HOPEFULLY AGAIN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE'RE AGAIN ADJACENT AND IMPACTED BY THAT. WE DO PLAN TO ABIDE BY ALL DEVELOPMENT CODES. THE THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IS WE DID RUN THE MATH ON THAT. IT'S 1.97 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND. SO ON A ON A 1792 CFS CHANNEL, AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THAT WE WILL HOLD THAT BACK. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD TO THE THE EXISTING PROJECT. THAT'S JUST CITY CITY STANDARD CODE THAT THAT WE WILL WORK WITH ONCE WE SUBMIT ENGINEERING PLANS ON THAT. SO HERE MORE THAN ANYTHING, JUST TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS, I KNOW WE I SPOKE LAST TIME WITH KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE. SO SIMPLY HERE TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS. AND I WON'T PUT MY HANDS IN THE AIR BECAUSE I JUST DID IT. SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SPITZER? WILLIAM I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON THE I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALLOWED THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT FOR 42FT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A IT'S JUST A TALL BUILDING FOR, FOR WITH THE RESIDENTS ALL AROUND. IS THAT WAS THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT ALLOWED WAS ALLOWED FOR THE CODE OR IS 
          [01:05:03]
THAT THE INTENTION. IT WE WE WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE DO NOT HAVE A SITE PLAN, A FLOOR PLAN FOR THIS. WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN. WE DO KNOW THAT THE THE SECOND STORY WILL BE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THAT WILL BE SINGLE STORY ON KIND OF AS IT BUMPS DOWN. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A FLOOR PLAN. I THINK IN TALKING TO AN ARCHITECT AND A BUILDER, JUST TALKING ABOUT ROOF HEIGHTS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, A 50 FOOT SPAN CAN GET UP. WE WERE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 42 FOOT. DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL BE 42 FOOT? NO, IT'S NO WE PLAN ON IT BEING TWO STORY. I THINK THAT RECOMMENDATION ORIGINALLY IN THE SITE PLAN WAS A TWO AND A HALF STORY, WHICH WAS CITY STANDARD, AND WE'RE NOW JUST PLANNING ON A TWO STORY JUST SO THAT IT FITS, GETS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT THAT FOOTPRINT. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SPENCER? I'M JUST GOING BACK TO LAST MONTH. YOU'RE NOT INTENDING ON BEING THE THE END USER OF THIS SPACE? WE WILL BE THE DEVELOPER WILL OWN IT. CURRENTLY, WE PLAN TO BE THERE. 
          SEVEN YEARS AGO WE WERE HERE SAYING WE WOULD BE THE ONLY USER HERE. COVID HITS, THINGS CHANGE. I THINK MR. TRAYLOR DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF SAYING, HEY, THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED BY THE END BECAUSE OF THE END USER. IT SHOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE USE TYPE, BUT WE DO PLAN ON BEING THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO WORK AND NOT HAVE TO JUMP IN A CAR WITH MY FIVE KIDS AND DOG AND GET THEM ALL THERE. SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. MR. I'M ALWAYS LOATHE TO TO BRING TO COME TO THIS POINT, BUT I THINK WE'VE HAD SEVERAL HEARINGS AND AND. HOPEFULLY A FULL EXPRESSION OF PEOPLE'S INTEREST AND CONCERN. IS THERE EMOTION? WE IF THERE'S THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY TELL YOU WHAT IT IS, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE OPEN THIS UP FOR SOME DISCUSSION AMONGST THE PANEL. I'LL ONLY IN PUBLIC. SURE. HERE'S WHAT I'M HEARING. I'M HEARING THAT THERE IS A LONG EXISTING DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN THIS AREA. MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY IT, AND IT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE AFFECTED BY IT UNTIL SOMETHING CHANGES. WHAT I HEARD FROM THE CITY ENGINEER OR THE ENGINEER? THE CITY ENGINEER IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL AFFECT IT, BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY. SO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO. I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION. AND WE WE DON'T OFTEN SEE A DEVELOPER WHO SEEMS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE. CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE CHANGES AS MUCH AS WE HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. SO IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT, THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY WITH THE DRAINAGE. BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE APPROVE IT, IT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH. DID ANYONE ELSE HEAR ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I JUST SUMMED UP? YEAH. AND I GUESS MY MY CONCERN IS WHAT IF THAT EVEN IF IT'S THE SLIGHTEST BIT ADDITIONAL WATER, WHAT IF THAT'S WHAT SENDS IT OVER THE EDGE AND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE FALLS DOWN INTO THE CREEK? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SOMETIMES THERE'S A BREAKING POINT. AND IF WE CAN'T QUANTIFY WHAT THAT IS, THEN IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE WILLING TO SAY, SURE, GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTIONS ARE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN TODAY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR CITY STAFF, ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT WE ARE SAYING THIS REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WE'VE RECEIVED WILL BE ACCEPTABLE ONCE IT'S GONE THROUGH ENGINEERING AND SAFETY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GIVING THIS GENTLEMAN THE GREEN LIGHT TO BEGIN DEVELOPMENT TOMORROW. WE ARE SAYING THIS IS THE BEST SITE PLAN, AND THEN WE ARE TURNING IT OVER TO THE NEXT GROUP TO THEN MAKE SURE THAT THESE ISSUES ARE MITIGATED AND ALL THAT. IS THAT A CORRECT WAY TO. 
          [01:10:08]
YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I SIT ON IT IS I WOULDN'T GREENLIGHT THIS TODAY, BUT WE'RE NOT GREENLIGHTING THIS TODAY. WE'RE APPROVING THIS PIECE OF PAPER AS ONCE IT'S SAFE TO DO SO. THIS IS THE PLAN, RIGHT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PROCEDURALLY THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I HAVE ANOTHER PROCEDURAL QUESTION. EVERY LAWYER NEEDS A LAWYER. MR. KING, IS IT PERMISSIBLE FOR THE CHAIR TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, SIR. IT IS. THAT THAT BEING THE CASE, MY MOTION IS TO DENY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, I'LL HAVE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS AND THERE'S HISTORICAL CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE SEEN. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MARINA, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? CARLENE? DARK BAYS, I, CLINT GILES I'M SORRY TO BE DIFFICULT. 
          ARE WE ARE WE AGREEING TO DENY FOR DENIAL? YES. OKAY, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO SAY NAY. 
          PHILIP HUMBER. NAY. CHRISTINA DAVIS. NAY. MICHAEL CARMICHAEL. NAY. ROY MARTINEZ, DAVID HENSON I. SOMEBODY HELPED ME. WAS THAT 4 TO 3 OR IS THAT. YES. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS. IS THAT WHAT THE WHAT IT WAS. WELL THAT THAT BEING THE CASE, WE'VE NOT RESOLVED THIS ISSUE, BUT THE MOTION TO DENY FAILED BY A VOTE OF. 40, 42, 43, 43, 3 TO 4. I DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO GO, I STAY HERE. ARE THERE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADVANCE ANOTHER DIRECTION? MR. MR. KING, I NEED YES. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO GO, BUT I DO NEED SOME HELP AND TYPICALLY THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY COUNCIL A A APPROVAL OR DENIAL WILL ALSO AFFECT HOW IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL, WHETHER THE APPLICANT WILL BE TO APPEAL OR NOT, OR WHETHER IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THERE TO BE ANOTHER MOTION. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING WHAT THAT MOTION SHOULD BE. WOULD I HAVE A QUESTION? WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO MOVE THAT THIS BE PUT ON HOLD OR TABLED UNTIL FURTHER STUDIES AND FURTHER PLANS THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ENGINEERING AND WATER ISSUES BE BROUGHT FORTH TO SUBMIT WITH THE SITE PLAN A MOTION, A MOTION TO TABLE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE COMMISSION CERTAINLY HAS THAT AUTHORITY. OKAY, THEN I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THIS ISSUE FOR PENDING FURTHER ENGINEERING. I THINK WE NEED A TIME FRAME TO ONLY 30 DAYS. 60 DAYS. SO HOW HOW LONG WOULD IT WOULD THOSE TYPE OF PLANS TAKE TO PUT TOGETHER 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS? DO WE KNOW? I THINK WE MIGHT ASK THE DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT HOW WHAT HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK IF THERE WERE ANY ADDITIONAL STUDIES, THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT FOR THEM TO EXPLORE WHETHER THE DEVELOPER MIGHT HAVE A COMMENT. BUT THE THE TIMETABLE FOR ADDITIONAL STUDIES IS ON THE CITY, NOT ON THE DEVELOPER. RIGHT. WELL, I THAT THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A STUDY AND THIS BODY CAN'T DIRECT STAFF TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL STUDIES, ESPECIALLY AS AS THIS IS A ZONING RELATED REQUEST AND THIS ISN'T RELATED TO A SEPARATE PART OF THE PROCESS THAT INVOLVES DRAINAGE. I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER TODAY WE'RE BEING ASKED, IS THIS THE RIGHT TYPE OF LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY? AND SEPARATELY, THERE WILL BE THE QUESTION FROM USUALLY FROM THE 
          [01:15:07]
APPLICANT OR THE OWNER I WANT TO BUILD. THEY WANT TO PULL A PERMIT FOR A BUILDING. AND AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHENEVER THE ENGINEERS AND THE STAFF, THE BUILDING PROFESSIONALS, THEY LOOK AT THAT REQUEST TO FIND OUT CAN THEY MEET THE CODE? AND SO I THINK TO ELABORATE ON THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE COULD BE DELAYED ON THE, ON THE APPLICANT SIDE UNTIL THEY HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT. SO THAT'S WHEN THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY CAN DELAY IN THEIR SCHEDULE, BUT THE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE LAYOUT. BUT WE BUT BUT WE IN MAKING A MOTION, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WOULD BE. RIGHT. AND I THINK I WOULD CAUTION THAT, YOU KNOW, IN IN MAKING A MOTION, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ANY TABLING SHOULD BE TIED DIRECTLY TO A ZONING QUESTION AND LAND USE RELATED. 
          AS FAR AS IS THIS THE PROPER LAND USE ZONING TYPE CATEGORY FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE ANY CHANGES THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO MAKE IN RELATION TO MAYBE A BUFFER YARD OR A BUILDING HEIGHT? BUT WHENEVER IF WE'RE TRYING TO TIE IT BACK TO DRAINAGE, AN ENGINEERING QUESTION THAT MAKES IT VERY PROBLEMATIC. AND I THINK PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE WAS A TABLING DIRECTLY TIED TO LAND, USE IT, IT SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER MAYBE IF THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME, IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER THE LAND USE QUESTION, PERHAPS THE THE MOTION IS DENIAL. AND AND AT THAT POINT, AS OUR OUR ATTORNEY MENTIONED, IF IT'S DENIAL, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THE SITE IS ALREADY CURRENTLY ZONED POD. SO THIS IS AN ALTERATION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. AND THE ALTERATION AND AGAIN, THIS WAS I THINK THIS WAS THE FEBRUARY MEETING, BUT IT DID SHOW THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, WHICH SEEMED TO BE CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS BUILDING IS NOW CLOSER TO BROADWAY. CORRECT. AND AND SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. SO THE THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED POD WITH A SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW. IT WAS APPROVED AGAIN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT SITE PLAN WAS SUFFICIENT AT THAT TIME, BUT ALSO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THE DRAINAGE ANALYZES AND REVIEWS WOULD HAPPEN AT A LATER TIME. AND SO THIS ACTION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 2019 OR 20, LATE 2018, 2019 HAS DECIDED ON A ON THE LAND USE DECISION FOR THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY. IT'S IT'S A IT'S A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT RIGHT. MR. BASS IS HELPFULLY SUGGESTED THE POSSIBILITY OF A TINGLING. IS THERE IS. ONE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP ME IN THIS CASE. YEAH. PERTAINS TO THIS. I JUST HAVE ONE. SO WHAT KYLE JUST SAID FOR ME JUST KIND OF CRYSTALLIZED WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING RIGHT NOW IS THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ZONE CHANGE. THEY'RE ASKING TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO. AND SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IT AS, IS THIS A BETTER SITE PLAN THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED? I MEAN, WHOEVER WAS HERE AT THAT TIME, WHICH NONE OF US WERE, I DON'T THINK MAYBE, MAYBE, WELL, YOU KNOW IT. THAT IS NOT THAT'S NOT AN ILLOGICAL RESPONSE, BUT WE NEED A MOTION. 
          MR. MCCAIN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. COME FORWARD. WHAT CAME TO ME, WHAT I REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS WE'RE LETTING HIS ENGINEER DESIGN SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S FINE AND NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S DOWNSTREAM. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE ANYTHING GETS APPROVED. PERSONALLY, BECAUSE, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S HE CAN SAY? HIS GUY SAYS IT'S GREAT WITHIN MY HOUSE, BUT I JUST SAID IT'S WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE 
          [01:20:02]
DENIED. MR. BARR. OKAY. I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THE RETENTION POND WAS GOING TO HELP THE SITUATION. WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I UNDERSTOOD MOMENTS AGO THAT IT WAS INEFFECTIVE IS MY OWN OPINION THAT IT'S INEFFECTIVE. 65 YEARS AGO, I GOT A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. I WORKED IN CIVIL ENGINEERING IN THE AIR FORCE FOR THREE YEARS, CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER, AND DEALT WITH A LOT OF WATER. IN MY OPINION, THE RETENTION POND IS KIND OF LIKE LIPSTICK ON A PIG. MAYBE IT'S THERE FOR SOMEBODY TO IMPRESS SOMEBODY. 
          IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO ME THAT IT'S WORKING, AS I THINK A RETENTION POND SHOULD WORK. 
          IT'S A LITTLE WATER FRONT. IN FACT, I CHECKED IT BEFORE I CAME OVER HERE. WE HADN'T HAD ONE IN A LONG TIME. AND WATER'S GOING DOWN THE CREEK. GANGBUSTERS. SO THAT'S MORE STUDY I THINK IS CERTAINLY NEEDED BEFORE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MR. FOR YOUR YOUR EXPERTISE JENNIFER GASTON. PERFECT. OKAY. THE SITE PLAN I'M JENNIFER GASTON 106 BELLE MEAD. THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN WHENEVER 2018 2019. 
          IT'S GONE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ACTIVE SEWER LINE. SO WE CAN'T IT'S GONE. WE CAN'T GO BACK. 
          THAT SITE PLAN. WOULD YOU SAY IT'S VOID? CAN'T GO BACK TO THAT. I THINK IT'S NO BUT THEY CAN MODIFY IN THEORY MODIFY THE SEWER LINE. OKAY. THAT'S A CITY THING THAT'S EXPENSIVE RIGHT. 
          YEAH. AND THAT'S A CITY THING OKAY. JUST CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING MUCH. BUT I'LL JUST LIMIT LIMIT MY COMMENTS. THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEIR WISDOM. 
          POINT OF THESE SEVEN PEOPLE TO. REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. 
          WE WE NEED TO MOVE ON SOMEBODY. I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN PEOPLE'S MOUTHS, BUT SOMEBODY WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. MR. HUDSON, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE PD 25023 MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. I'LL. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST SAY I CONCUR WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID. YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO KYLE, LISTENING TO THE OTHERS TALK ABOUT IT JUST BRINGS US BACK TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING. WE'RE NOT REZONING THIS PROPERTY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN. AND IS THIS SITE PLAN APPROPRIATE? SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN? WE'RE NOT GREENLIGHTING THIS PROJECT TODAY. THERE ARE MANY MORE STEPS THAT DO NOT INVOLVE ANYONE SITTING UP HERE. MAYBE, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE. BUT NONE OF US WHO ARE VOTING ON THIS BEFORE THIS GOES FORWARD. I THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE VERY VALID CONCERNS, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF STEPS IN THIS PROCESS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. AND THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. I GUESS MY MY COMMENT IS, IS PUTTING IT IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS THAT HEATHER DID, HAVING ALL OF MOST ALL OF THIS PART THAT'S NOT COVERED IN WATER DEVELOPED. IS THAT A GREAT LAND USE FOR THIS, KNOWING ALL THAT WE KNOW NOW? AND THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN LIES, IS THAT I KNOW IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR POD, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. BUT IS THIS SITE PLAN IS ANY SITE PLAN THAT TAKES UP ALL OF THIS SPACE, PROPER LAND USE, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW AND KNOWING THAT ANY SORT OF REPAIRS COULD BE THREE, FIVE, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW. AND SO THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN OF THE LAND USE, HAVING THAT MUCH DEVELOPMENT ON IT. WOULD BE MY CONCERN YOU, I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOUR COMMENTS. WE'VE HAD WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
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ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MARIA, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? YES. CARLY I'M SORRY. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US TODAY. AND SO IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THAT, YOUR VOTE WOULD BE ON. IF YOU'RE OPPOSED, YOU WOULD BE. NO THANK YOU. MARIA. CARLENE, NAY, CLINT CHARLES I PHILIP HUNTER. HI. CHRISTINA DAVIS I MICHAEL CARMICHAEL I ROY MARTINEZ. NAY. DAVID HUDSON. NO. 
          SO NOW THAT'S IS THAT A 5 TO 2. WAS THAT A 5 TO 2 OR THREE OR 4 TO 3. I'M SORRY I MISSED ONE. 
          SO SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP FOR THIS PROCESS. AND AS IT'S BEEN MADE, I THINK PRETTY CLEAR THE PROCESS IS NOT COMPLETE. THIS ITEM WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS THERE, THERE WILL BE PROCEDURAL THINGS IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS THAT INTERESTED PARTIES SHOULD KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS Z 26 TO 0 
          [VI. Z26-001 ANDREW ARRIAGA & JUAN ANTONIO CARRILLO JR (713 WILSON STREET)]
ZERO ONE. ANDREW ARRIAGA AND JUAN ANTONIO CARRILLO JUNIOR. 
          HUNTER. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHTY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A ZONE CHANGE FROM RMF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH ELLIS AVENUE AND WILSON STREET. THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST ARE ZONED RMF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE ARE ZONED RMF AND R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. ALL PROPERTIES ARE EITHER DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR UNDEVELOPED. THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONE CHANGE IS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE GUIDE, WHICH IDENTIFIES THIS PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. 
          ATTACHED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE ZONE CHANGE TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. TO OPTIMIZE THE BUILDABLE SPACE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REZONING TO AN R-1, WHICH DOES WHICH DOES PROVIDE A MORE FLEXIBLE SETBACK. REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALIGNS WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUEST WOULD HELP ACCOMPLISH TYLER FIRST GOAL OF ADDING MORE HOUSING TO THE NORTH END. AS OF FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 27TH, OF THE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NO NOTICES WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. THE STAFF HAS PERFORMED A TECHNICAL REVIEW, AND WE DO SEE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA, AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? IF NOT OTHER PERSONS YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IS THE APPLICANT HERE YOU PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE. WE DON'T. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERY PERSON THAT EVER LIVED AND. TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS JUAN ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ. I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THAT LOT. IS MY APARTMENT OKAY ON THIS PROPERTY? AND I WOULD GATHER YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION. YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? NO. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YES. THANK YOU. YOU CAN GET IT. YOU STAY LONG ENOUGH. YOU GET A LAW DEGREE FROM US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. BUT I GUESS I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW. YEAH. 
          NEXT TIME I WENT OUT PROPERLY, I GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW. KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN, YOU 
          [01:30:05]
KNOW? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'D BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PRESENCE. ANY OTHERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE. IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM Z26001. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO TO APPROVE THIS ITEM. AND AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. ANY OPPOSED. ITEMS APPROVED. THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR YOUR PROJECT AND HOPE IT DOESN'T RAIN. ALL RIGHT KYLE, THE NEXT ITEM IS IS THE LONG 
          [VII.1. TYLER TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN]
TERM TYLER TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AREA REDEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR. 
          VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY. AND YOU KNOW ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS. SO SHARE WITH US. 
          YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PRESENT BOTH THESE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER. THEY WILL REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE VOTES. WELL PRESENT THEM TOGETHER AS THEY ARE RATHER LINKED. SO THIS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IS THE TYLER TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO THIS THIS PROCESS BEGAN, BEGAN BACK IN FALL OF 2024 WITH A SURVEY OF OUR COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR GOALS AND PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND WE ALSO DID A COMMUNITY GATHERING OR A COUNCIL WORKSHOP AND TALKED ABOUT THE THE GOALS FOR THE PLAN ITSELF. THIS IS JUST A AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST 17 MONTHS OR SO, AND WE ARE AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS WHERE WE ARE CONSIDERING ADOPTION OF THE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE WE DID SURVEY THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF OUR, OF OUR CITY IS, SHOULD BE AND IS DERIVED FROM THE THE FEEDBACK AND THE GOALS AND ASPIRATIONS THAT ARE COMMUNITY SETS FORTH OVER THIS, THIS PLANNING EFFORT. AND SO WITH THIS BEING A PLAN THROUGH 2025, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS AS WE AS WE PLAN OUT IN THE CITY, THAT WE WE DO KNOW WHAT OUR COMMUNITY FINDS GREAT ABOUT THE CITY, WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND FOR IMPROVEMENT AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO TO MESS WITH TOO MUCH. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WE DID WITH THE SURVEY. WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY FROM ALL GEOGRAPHICALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO TYPICALLY, WHAT WE RECEIVE BACK THROUGH THE SURVEY PROCESS IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE, JUST KIND OF RANKING THE IMPORTANCE OF A VARIETY OF ISSUES. WHAT WE'RE DOING. WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE SATISFIED SATISFACTION WITH VARIETY OF TOPICS. AND AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THIS PLAN REFLECTS BROAD COMMUNITY INPUT WHICH YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SURVEY DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WE DID AFTER THAT IS WE TOOK THIS INFORMATION AND PROVIDED IT TO OUR STEERING COMMITTEES TO PROVIDE SOME SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL. AND SO THESE THESE STEERING COMMITTEES WERE MADE UP OF OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, COMMUNITY LEADERS AND STAKEHOLDERS. AND WE ALSO INTERVIEWED REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT RELATE TO EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, TRANSPORTATION IN A BROAD SPECTRUM OF OF OF VOICES TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN USE THIS INFORMATION TOWARDS THE PLAN ITSELF. AND SO WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN THIS DEVELOPED WAS THE COMMUNITY VISION, THE VISION STATEMENT FOR, FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS THROUGH THIS PLAN, WHICH IS THAT TYLER STRIVES TO BE THE HEARTBEAT OF EAST TEXAS AND BEYOND THAT IS A RESILIENT NATURAL BEAUTY WHERE INNOVATION AND PROSPERITY CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL. AND SO THAT THAT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED WITH THE THE THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND THE THE STEERING COMMITTEES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE MOVING FORWARD. AND SO WITH THAT, WE WE TOOK THAT THAT STATEMENT OUT AND JUST SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE VISION IN PRINCIPLES AND ALL THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT TO WHERE PEOPLE WERE AND THAT WE HAD THAT BROAD COMMUNITY INPUT. AND, AND THROUGH THIS, THIS PROCESS THAT WE WE SET UP BOARDS AND WE HAD SOME, SOME TABLES HERE AND 
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THERE TO TO LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE HAD TO SAY AND GET THEIR INPUT. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE SEEING THROUGH THIS, THESE IMAGES ARE THE OPEN HOUSES THAT WE DID THAT HAD SOME VERY WELL ATTENDED. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED IN THE PLAN IS ALSO REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND THAT'S THIS OTHER ITEM HERE IS, IS IS NEW TO TO THE PLANNING OR AT LEAST IN TYLER. SO THAT BACK WHEN WE DID THE 21 SOCIAL MEDIA WASN'T, WASN'T A THING. AND AND SO NOW WE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT THAT TOOL TO TO GET IN FRONT, GET THIS INFORMATION AND CONTENT IN FRONT OF AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A BROAD. BROAD, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS IN THAT EFFORT TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE GOT IN FRONT OF ENOUGH PEOPLE. AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT OVER 262,000 PEOPLE VIEWED SOME KIND OF CONTENT RELATED TO THE TYLER TOMORROW PLAN AND HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH A VARIETY OF MEANS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AND AND THIS IS WHAT WE CONSISTENTLY HEARD BACK THROUGH THESE ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, IS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND GREEN SPACE, THAT WE'RE WE WANT TO PLAN FOR AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE SIDEWALKS AND AND CONNECTIVITY OF OUR STREETS, ALSO MAINTAIN TYLER'S IDENTITY AND UNIQUE CHARACTER AND THE ALL ALL DOING THAT AT THE SAME TIME ALSO SUPPORT ECONOMIC GROWTH AND PRESERVE QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. AND SO THESE THEMES ALSO SHAPE THE POLICIES THAT YOU SEE IN THE DRAFT PLAN. AND SO WHEN ADOPTION OF THE TYLER TOMORROW PLAN MEANS, IS THAT IT ESTABLISHES THE OFFICIAL LONG RANGE LAND USE POLICIES, UPDATES THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND ALSO PROVIDES GUIDANCE OR POLICY GUIDANCE FOR LAND USE DECISIONS. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, WE'LL PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR FOR THAT. AND THEN ALSO INFORMED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLANNING. AND REALLY IT SETS FORTH THE THE WHAT WE WANT TO KEEP OUR OUR EYE ON THE PRIZE FOR. SO OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO POINT BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STAYING ON TRACK WITH WHAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS SAID THEY WANT TO SEE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WHAT IT DOESN'T DO IS CHANGE ZONING OF ANY PROPERTY AND DOESN'T REMOVE ANY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. IT IS A GUIDANCE. 
          GUIDANCE DOCUMENT IS MEANT TO INFORM LAND USE POLICY AND GENERAL CITY POLICY AS WELL. 
          AND SO AT ITS CORE, THE THE TYLER TOMORROW PLAN IS ABOUT GROWING CAREFULLY PROTECT WHAT IS WORKING IN THE CITY, ALSO PLANNING AHEAD AND MAKING TYLER EVEN BETTER. WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, ANOTHER 20,000 PEOPLE OR SO TO TO MOVE TO TYLER. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE AS WE GROW, THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT LAND USE POLICIES AND A PLAN IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH AND WE WE DON'T LOSE WHAT MAKES TYLER GREAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFLECTING THROUGH THE THE VALUES THAT WE THAT THIS PLAN DEVELOPS OR, OR EXHIBITS, WHICH IS THAT WE THE STRATEGIES IN THE PLAN ARE INTENDED TO MAINTAIN TYLER'S HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, AND WE DO THAT THROUGH ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY, FAMILY, FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTS, NATURAL BEAUTY. BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE GROW, WE ARE TRYING TO STRENGTHEN OUR OUR ROLE IN THE IN THE REGION AS A HUB FOR HIGHER EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE WE ALREADY EXCEL IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS THAT WE WE KEEP DOING THE THINGS THAT WORK AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT STEP FURTHER AS WELL. 
          AND SO LIKE I MENTIONED, THE THE PLAN ESTABLISHES A FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND SO WHAT THIS IS, IS A POLICY TOOL WITH A ESSENTIALLY A 20 YEAR, YOU KNOW, PLANNING HORIZON AND IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME OF OF WHAT WE EXPECT. YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT 20,000 FOOT VIEW, WHAT WE, WHAT WE THINK TYLER SHOULD, HOW IT SHOULD GROW, HOW IT DEVELOPS, HOW IT SHOULD DEVELOP. BUT WHAT IT ISN'T PRESCRIPTIVE, IT IS NOT A SITE SPECIFIC LAND USE DECISION MAKING TOOL. IT IS THAT BROAD LAND USE POLICY GUIDANCE DOCUMENT. SO YOU SEE HERE MORE GENERAL GENERAL CATEGORIES FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR COMMERCIAL AREAS, OUR HIGHER DENSITY COMMERCIAL AREAS. 
          AND MAKING SURE THAT THE WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT THERE IS WELL DISTRIBUTED GROWTH OR 
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WELL DISTRIBUTED DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. AND THAT LOGICALLY MAKES SENSE AMONG, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND OR PLANNED FOR THAT. RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE PLANNED FOR THAT AS WELL. AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE'S THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HIT ON THAT. THE LAND USE MAP IS, AGAIN, THAT POLICY GUIDANCE DOCUMENT AND DOES NOT IS NOT PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT IT IS USED FOR EVALUATING LAND USE DECISIONS. BUT THIS ZONING MAP IS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. IT IS WHAT ESTABLISHES WHAT LAND USES ARE ALLOWABLE OR NOT ALLOWABLE WITHIN THE WITHIN A ON A PROPERTY. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, ANY CHANGE IN THAT ZONING DECISION HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS LIKE WE DID TODAY. SO THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SEVEN CHAPTERS, AS YOU SEE HERE, THESE ARE THE THE TOPIC AREAS. AND AND IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS THERE WERE MANY MORE CHAPTERS AND VERY SPECIFIC CHAPTERS FOR SPECIFIC TOPICS. BUT THIS THIS PLAN REALLY INTEGRATES A LOT OF THESE CONCEPTS TOGETHER. AND MAKE SURE MAKING SURE THAT THAT THEY ALL KIND OF SPEAK TOGETHER AND THAT THERE'S THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SEGMENTED INTO DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE POLICY, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, ALSO AND HOW THEY INTERACT TOGETHER. AND SO THIS THE NEXT THE NEXT TOPIC HERE IS THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND SO PART OF THIS PLANNING EFFORT, WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HAVE WE HAVE AREA PLANS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALIGN THEM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN ALSO UPDATE THEM. SO THE PLAN WAS LAST DONE IN 2012. 
          SINCE THEN WE'VE SEEN THE THE MEDICAL SCHOOL GO IN ON THE BACK END. AND SO THAT THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, CREATE A NEED TO MAYBE TAKE A TAKE A MINUTE TO, TO TO LOOK AT THAT AREA AND MAKE SURE IT'S STILL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL PLANNING FOR THAT. WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT UT TYLER, THAT AREA WHERE WE HAVE CONTINUED GROWTH AROUND THE CAMPUS AND, AND THE THE UNIVERSITY ALSO HAS MASTER PLANS AS WELL. AND SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ALL WORK TOGETHER AND THEN THE THE NORTH END AS WELL, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COHERENT POLICIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INCENTIVIZING NEW GROWTH AND OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE NORTH END AS WELL. AND SO THEY ALL THEY ARE STANDALONE DOCUMENTS, BUT THEY ARE DEEPER DIVES INTO THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND THEN JUST JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EACH ONE HERE. AND I ALSO HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS IN THIS EFFORT. HALF ASSOCIATES WORKED ON ON THE AREA AREA PLANS. AND MARK PRIESTER IS HERE TODAY. HE'S GOING TO KIND OF RECAP THE THE EFFORTS THAT THEY DID FOR THE THE ADP'S. BUT BUT GENERALLY THE THE MIDTOWN PLAN IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE OR LOOK AT THE AREAS TO SEE HOW IT FUNCTIONS AS, AS A HUB FOR FOR MANY THINGS, AS, AS AN EDUCATION CENTER, AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER, AND THEN ALSO AS A RETAIL AREA AND SEE HOW THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER AND REALLY DEVELOP SOME, SOME KIND OF STRATEGIES OR, OR SHARED VISION FOR THAT AREA. THE TYLER, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE THE OVERALL PLAN IS TO TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, AS THE CAMPUS TRIES TO TURN INTO MORE OF A TRADITIONAL COLLEGE CAMPUS, HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER LAND USES IN THE AREA, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS CONDUCIVE TO THAT, THAT IT CREATES ENOUGH CONNECTION CONNECTIVITIES OTHER, OTHER WAYS OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THROUGH THAT AREA. AND AS WE EXPECT THAT THAT SIDE OF THE CITY TO ALSO DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE THE NORTH END AS WELL, LOOKING AT HOW HOW WE CAN AS A CITY ESTABLISH SOME SOME POLICIES OR AT LEAST SOME PRIORITIES AND GUIDELINES FOR EXPANDING HOUSING TYPES, STRENGTHENING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN ALSO SUPPORTING REVITALIZATION THROUGHOUT THE NORTH AND THE NORTHWEST PART OF TYLER. AND SO WHAT'S NEXT? THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IS TYPICALLY THE THE NEXT. AFTER ADOPTION OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE PLAN CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. AND SO SOME OF THE WAYS THAT IT'S IMPLEMENTED IS THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHERE WE WOULD MAKE SURE AT LEAST REVIEW OUR, OUR UDC TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, 
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WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE IN THE PLAN, WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE. AND, AND TO GO THROUGH ANY REVISIONS OR CODE UPDATES THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR THAT. THAT'S ALSO A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT WOULD GO THROUGH SOME COMMITTEES FOR REVIEW, I THINK. WELL, THERE WILL BE A COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED FOR THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY, IT WILL COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. AND SO WE ANTICIPATE WORKING ON THAT THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND MAYBE INTO EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          ALSO, THE THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ESTABLISHES A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ACTION ITEMS TO TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. AND SO WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE OUT OF THAT PROCESS IS PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL STUDIES, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT THAT CITY DEPARTMENTS CAN WORK ON TO HELP IMPLEMENT, IMPLEMENT THE PLAN ITSELF AND THEN EVALUATION OF THE PLAN. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS THIS PLAN IS INTENDED TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. AND SO THE PLAN ESTABLISHES BENCHMARKS FOR AN ANNUAL AUDIT OF THE OR ANNUAL REVIEW OF HOW IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, AND THEN A FIVE YEAR AUDIT OF PROGRESS, AND THEN A TEN YEAR LARGER EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS OR EVEN FIVE YEARS. AND SO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE HAVE A PLAN THAT STAYS, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT. AND WE MAKE ANY TWEAKS HERE AND THERE THAT, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE. AND SO WITH THAT, I DO WANT TO INVITE MARK PRIESTNER UP TO TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SUMMARY ON SOME OF THE, THE, THE EFFORTS THAT THEY, THEY UNDERTOOK. AND TO HIS GENERAL IMPRESSION ON WHAT WHAT WAS BEFORE YOU TODAY. THANK YOU. MARK PRIESTNER HALF 1121 EAST SOUTHEAST LOOP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. 
          THIS IS NOW MY FOURTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE CITY OF HOWARD. AND I'M SURE, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE MORE THAN YOU NOT TO SAY AT LEAST TWO. YEAH. SO BUT IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU GO BACK AND START LOOKING AT THE PROCESS OF THOSE VERSUS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WHEN WE DID THE THE TYLER 21 PLAN, AS, AS HEATHER LOVES TO POINT OUT, WAS ACTUALLY STARTED BEFORE THE IPHONE CAME OUT. SO THAT'S BUT IT WAS A REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO WE HAD NOT DONE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THAT LEVEL EVER BEFORE. THERE WERE A LOT OF AHAS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. THE START OF THE DOWNTOWN PROCESS FOR REDEVELOPMENT CAME OUT OF THAT. 
          THE NEED FOR NORTH END REVITALIZATION AND HOUSING CAME OUT OF THAT. IT JUST IT KIND OF STARTED THIS PROCESS. WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN. SO THE THE TYLER FIRST PLAN WAS SORT OF AN UPDATE TO THAT. BUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THIS PLAN, THE PROCESS, THERE WEREN'T AS MANY BIG AHAS THAT CAME OUT OF IT. AND I ATTRIBUTE THAT TO A FEW THINGS. I'VE DONE A LOT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND A LOT OF CITIES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TEND TO DO REALLY, REALLY WELL IS WE CONTINUALLY UPDATE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PLANS WHILE WE THEY'RE 20 YEAR PLANS, OUR HORIZON. WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS, BUT TRADITIONALLY THE CITY OF TYLER'S GONE IN EVERY TEN YEARS AND DONE SOME SORT OF UPDATE TO IT. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE COMMITTEES SET UP THAT ARE LIKE THE DEVELOPERS ROUNDTABLE, THE THE GROUP THAT LOOKS AT ORDINANCE UPDATES. WE CONTINUALLY LOOK AT OURSELVES AND CONTINUALLY UPDATE. WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION OF A LOT OF CITIES BECAUSE OUR STAFF CONSTANTLY LOOKS AT THIS STUFF. SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IN THIS PLAN IS, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS. IS THE AFFIRMATION THERE IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING. AND THEN WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT? THE BIGGEST I THINK TO ME CAME OUT OF THE MIDTOWN PLAN, THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN GROUPS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY KIND OF BEEN AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER, THAT ARE REALLY NOW, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS THING WORK? HOW DO WE ALL COME TOGETHER? WE SAW THAT AROUND THERE. THE UT TYLER MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE LAND USES AROUND IT AND THE TRANSITION OF IT FROM A COMMUTER SCHOOL TO A MORE DESTINATION BASED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE MIDTOWN PLAN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT WAS THE DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND MIDTOWN AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS, THAT IT NEVER REALLY HIT ME BEFORE. BUT AS WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AND AROUND, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOT ONLY WE LOOK AT WHERE ARE THOSE ARROWS POINTED AND WHAT CAN WE DO. EVEN THE CONTINUING NORTH AND REVITALIZATION. LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOOP. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE 
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LAST PLANS. SO THIS IS SETTING THE STAGE FOR WHAT'S GOING TO COME. THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, HURDLE THAT WE HAVE NOW, OR THE THING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO CHANGE, IS AS WE START LOOKING AT THESE ORDINANCE UPDATES, THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU STAY INVOLVED, BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING. IF YOU IF YOU LISTEN TO ALL THE, THE, THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HAD TODAY, OUR ORDINANCES ARE GOING TO BE THE THINGS THAT REALLY PUT THE TEETH IN EVERYTHING. RIGHT. AND WHAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MIXED USES AND LOOKING AT MORE WALKABLE AREAS AND THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LEADING TOWARDS WHAT IS THE NEXT GENERATION WANT. NOT SO MUCH WHAT WE THINK THEY WANT. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BECOME REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT THESE ORDINANCES. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT ON PARKING, LANDSCAPING, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM? WE GO BACK TO THE SURVEYS THAT THAT PART REALLY SHOULD DRIVE A LOT OF WHAT WE DO, NOT JUST FROM THIS LEVEL, BUT A COUNCIL. IT'S NOT ONLY THESE GROUPS AS YOU CAN. TYLER'S LOOKING AT THEIR IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WHAT IS THE COMP PLAN SAY TJC IS DOING THE SAME THING. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT THE DIALOG THAT STARTS COMING OUT OF THESE PLANTS. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU YOU GUYS, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED KNOW KIND OF WHAT GOES INTO IT. BUT THE WORK THAT GOES IN BEHIND THE SCENES, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN IN PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS JUST WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS REALLY GOOD. NOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT EVEN BETTER? SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW THINGS ABOUT IT. I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT AGAIN. BREES HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. 
          STAFF HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE A GOOD PLAN MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. MARK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRIESTER? WE HAD SOME OUTSIDE CONSULTANT HELP ON THIS PROJECT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US SOME OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION OR. THIS IS DAVID JONES JONES WITH NICHOLLS. YEAH, YEAH DAVE JONES, BREES NICHOLLS ONE OF THE PROJECT MANAGERS AT 801 CHERRY STREET IN FORT WORTH. SO FREESE NICHOLS HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, 132 YEARS. I'VE BEEN DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING FOR CITIES IN TEXAS FOR GOING ON 30 YEARS NOW. SO WE WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE THE LAST TYLER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. BUT IT'S IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS AND WORKING WITH KYLE AND HEATHER AND MARK AND AND HIS TEAM. THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S THAT'S REALLY SHOWED UP AND CONTRIBUTED. SPECIAL THANKS OF COURSE, TO THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVED ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE. IT'S A GREAT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. SO THIS DOES, I THINK, INTRODUCE SOME GOOD INNOVATIONS MOVING FORWARD TO TO HELP TYLER GROW A LITTLE BIT MORE DYNAMICALLY. AND IN TERMS OF YOUR CONSIDERATIONS AS, AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATIONS ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE NUANCED DECISION MAKING IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY HOW THE CITY SHOULD GROW, BUT ALSO HOW DISTRICTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD GROW. AND THAT'S, OF COURSE, ONE SIDE OF THE COIN. 
          AS MARK MENTIONED, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS KIND OF PUTTING THAT IN PRACTICE WITH THE WITH THE CODE UPDATE. SO THAT'S REALLY A BIG WIN THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING UP THAT QUICKLY ON THE HEELS OF THE COMP PLAN WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WELL, TO REALLY SET TYLER UP FOR SUCCESS. SO VERY HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. THANK THANK YOU, MR. JONES, FOR BEING FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON. ON. JUST GOING TO MENTION OR CLOSE THAT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF I MEAN IT'S OBVIOUS RIGHT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND WE DO THESE TWO THINGS SEPARATELY. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A TYLER TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE. APPROVE RECOMMEND ADOPTION RECOMMEND ADOPTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OR WE ADOPT THE TYLER TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED BY EVERYBODY. ANY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT ITEM IS APPROVED. 
          [VII.2. AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS (MIDTOWN, UT TYLER, NORTH END REVITALIZATION)]
AND NEXT IS AREA DEVELOPMENT PLANS. MIDTOWN UT TYLER NORTH END REVITALIZATION IS IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT? MR. CHAIRMAN I AGREE WE ADOPTED THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO ADOPT THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. 
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ANY OPPOSED? THANK THANKS TO EVERYBODY. CITY STAFF. AND WE'RE IN RECESS ACROSS THE STREET.
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